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djay 2 iPad - tracks drift where djay 1 is fine

djay 2 seems to have a fundamental problem for me making it unusable.

I have two tracks playing in sync, and they quickly drift apart. Using the same files and mixing techniques in djay 1 it is fine. I do not have the tracks 'locked' using the sync button while both are playing - in this case they do not drift. But the auto sync does not match them the way I want to so I do it manually.

With one track playing, I load the 2nd, and hit the sync button to match the playback speed. Then I manually bring in the 2nd track and use the speed nudge +/- controls to match the tracks. At this point they are perfectly matched but immediately they start drifting apart.

You can see the drift visually in the new double-wavefrom scrolling view - the bar lines start separating immediately. Tthe speed match 'sync' button on the second track before starting playback is not quite getting the speed right. Ican manually get the tracks synced consistently by adjusting the speed - and then the two tracks are measured at 0.6 BPM apart in this case (it happens with many tracks though not just these two).

I have re-analysed my entire library in djay2 in case the embedded waveform analysis from djay1 was the problem.

Exactly the same procedure in djay1 results in perfectly matched tracks every time.

Personally, the better library browsing and cosmetic features retro-fitted to djay1 woud be perfect for me. An inability to measure BPM consistently is a serious issue!

The only other feature you need is the pitch adjust like on the Mac version.
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  • Hi Alex,


    If you wish to keep the tracks in sync, then you need to activate the "Perfect Sync" mode. If the songs don't align/match the way you'd like, you can easily readjust this by setting the downbeat of the song(s) to a different position.
    The Perfect Sync mode always aligns the downbeats, so all you need to do is make sure that the yellow lines are set where you need them.
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  • I’m a bit frustrated
    Thank you for your reply. I do not understand why the songs should drift in the scenario I outlined above? It seems that you have made manual beat matching harder in v2 than in v1 - what is the benefit of this?

    Yes there is perfect sync, but adjusting it is not a convenient way to quickly beat match two tracks. It turns a process which is governed by listening into a process which is driven visually, and it is slower to arrive at the goal.

    With djay1 and some care you can get away with mixing without headphones if you need to - absolutely no way that would be possible with adjusting perfect sync by hand.

    I can see the value of perfect sync as a new feature, but I do not understand why this should be at the expense of the accurate speed matching which djay1 provided?

    Will the team consider fixing speed matching with a single press of the 'sync' button?
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  • Can one of you explain the difference in Djay 2 vs Djay 1 of pressing the sync button once vs twice? In 1, a single press syncs perfectly and it lights up. Are you guys saying that a single press now is insufficient?
    I realize this has been answered elsewhere Warren but I am still trying to understand the difference of a single vs double sync button push.
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  • I have noticed this too!! It is super frustrating and completely fucks up live sets.

    If the bpms are "aligned" there is no reason to need sync lock to make sure they stay on beat. If they are playing at the same speed they should stay that way.

    This is a new problem in DJAY 2, which is incredibly serious and needs to be fixed. I'm curious if it has more to do with the new Analyze Library function, as I've been able to manually match some of the songs I had trouble with, but at different BPMs.

    Ex. A song that was drifting away I was able to get pretty close by putting Songs A at 125.3 bpm while song B was at 125.0 bpm
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  • I’m an aries!
    wow - same issue exactly. Can I just say that solid timing is ESSENTIAL to DJing, Algoriddim. These apps should even dumb down the UI and colorful graphics just to make the timing ROCK SOLID. After all, and I may be alone in saying this, the sync button is for those who are new to beat matching, right? If I can beatmatch two tracks to my satisfaction, that button isn't getting pressed so WTF?
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  • Please kindly answer the following questions to help us investigate this problem:

    - Do I understand you guys correctly that the same songs synced properly with djay 1 WITHOUT having to readjust by pitch-bending, but not with djay 2 using "Perfect Sync"?

    - Was "High Precision Analysis" enabled in djay 1?

    - Also, please name examples (and where to purchase them) of the affected songs.
    • I replied to your comment in the thread below, but maybe you didn't see it:

      - Do I understand you guys correctly that the same songs synced properly with djay 1 WITHOUT having to readjust by pitch-bending, but not with djay 2 using "Perfect Sync"?

      No this is incorrect. The same songs sync properly in djay 1 with a single press of the sync button and then manual nudging to get them lined up. In djay 2 WITHOUT 'perfect sync', a single press of the sync buttons sets them to the same BPM, but the songs run at different speeds. Manually adjusting the BPM can sync the songs, but the BPM readout is in the region of 0.75 BPM different between the two tracks when they are at the same actual speed.

      - Was "High Precision Analysis" enabled in djay 1?

      Yes

      - Also, please name examples (and where to purchase them) of the affected songs

      This happens with EVERY pair of songs I have tried. Here is the procedure to reproduce the fault:

      1. Select a song on deck A. Start playing.

      2. Select another song for deck B.

      3. Hit 'Sync' once so that the speeds will be automatically set to the same BPM value.

      4. Start song on deck B in time with the one playing on Deck A.

      5. Nudge using the + / - buttons and listening, to get the tracks perfectly aligned

      6. The tracks will drift apart very quickly. On djay 1 they would have stayed perfectly aligned, job done.

      7. Now use your traditional DJ skills to adjust the actual speed of Deck B and nudge it back into time with the track on Deck A. You will be able to get them playing perfectly in sync, but the BPM readout for the two Decks will not match, even though they are clearly playing at the same real speed.
    • I was going to write a response but it would have been exactly this, so I concur.
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  • - Do I understand you guys correctly that the same songs synced properly with djay 1 WITHOUT having to readjust by pitch-bending, but not with djay 2 using "Perfect Sync"?

    No this is incorrect. The same songs sync properly in djay 1 with a single press of the sync button and then manual nudging to get them lined up. In djay 2 WITHOUT 'perfect sync', a single press of the sync buttons sets them to the same BPM, but the songs run at different speeds. Manually adjusting the BPM can sync the songs, but the BPM readout is in the region of 0.75 BPM different between the two tracks when they are at the same actual speed.

    - Was "High Precision Analysis" enabled in djay 1?

    Yes

    - Also, please name examples (and where to purchase them) of the affected songs

    This happens with EVERY pair of songs I have tried. Here is the procedure to reproduce the fault:

    1. Select a song on deck A. Start playing.

    2. Select another song for deck B.

    3. Hit 'Sync' once so that the speeds will be automatically set to the same BPM value.

    4. Start song on deck B in time with the one playing on Deck A.

    5. Nudge using the + / - buttons and listening, to get the tracks perfectly aligned

    6. The tracks will drift apart very quickly. On djay 1 they would have stayed perfectly aligned, job done.

    7. Now use your traditional DJ skills to adjust the actual speed of Deck B and nudge it back into time with the track on Deck A. You will be able to get them playing perfectly in sync, but the BPM readout for the two Decks will not match, even though they are clearly playing at the same real speed.
    • Thanks for the reply Alex.
    • Maybe a small off topic but I need to ask one question.
      Warren did algoriddim answer even once for a question of users?
      I'm bit confused coz I think I don't understand the point of this forum.
      From around three weeks I started to observe this "forum" and I can't believe that company (in my opinion good) has no support for users.
      I was trying to find answers for few questions and the only thing I can see is that support asking all the time questions but not answering.
      With all respect to you guys but something is wrong in that. I can't believe that you have no testers for your apps. How is it possible that the persons which are testing dj application can't see this bugs. For me it looks like you wanted to get more money for update. I understand that app is really cheap, but it looks like its half-finished.
      People are asking about the fixes and the only thing they hear is "thanks for information" "thanks for reply" and my favourite one "we know about that".
      You are writing that Numark iDJ pro is made for this app, so why is not working properly. You can't use FXs knob coz sound is dropping down (this problem is 9 months old). Is it not possible to set up app to increase volume by around 15% to align the difference and after pressing it again drop down vol the same?
      Djay 2 is like beta version of app. Have you got any testers? If you have the only thing I can say you need to invest for more competent people.
      I'm fan of this app but after updates and not fixing any of the most important bugs I'm thinking there is no point of creating different topics about ideas and bug reports because you don't care about that or maybe I can't see any proof of caring about your customers. Go and check that if you don't believe. How many followers have you got for topics with no answe, no fix.....
      BTW with new update after 15-20 minutes on idj pro light from sync button is turning off. Function works (with bugs) but u can't see light on your controller.
      I checked it and djay 1 works fine but djay 2 not.
      After around 30 minutes u can't set up cue points at the places u exactly want to set. To be more clear I meant that if you press to set up for example cue point number 1 when you pressing controller button nr 1 it's setting up cue point but not exactly in place u pressed the button. In djay 1 everything is fine so it's not a fault of controller.
      Definitely Djay 2 for iPad it's only beta version of the product that you are writing in descriptions.
      Hope u will not miss understood me...
      .. I'm saying that to show u some mistakes
      I really like djay app but I can't use all the features it has got with my numark
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  • Hi Warren - any update? Can you confirm you understand the issue and are able to reproduce it?
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    • Thanks Alex for sharing. I thought in experiencing the whole drift thing my mind was playing tricks on me! Have you tried native instruments iPad app... any comments on any good iPad and or Mac dj apps - or do they all drift
      Also, once you find a sweet spot say of two songs, even different ones, does that sweet spot of sync last or drift out. I guess I am asking if you just go by ear and disregard the bpm slight difference can you still enjoy and say use the product

      I am surprised this topic doesn't come up more often. Thanks for sharing
      I am eyeing Numark ns7 with the motorized platters with serato itch software if you have any comments there too.
    • The crazy thing is that this works perfectly in djay 1 for iPad, Mac and iPhone, all of which I use. djay 2 tried to get clever with synching and has become worthless for serious use. So I have wasted my money on djay 2 and will be sticking to djay 1, and recommend others to do the same until this issue is resolved. A shame we miss out on the other nice enhancements in djay 2 though.

      To answer your question - yes, you can synch by ear rather than using the synch button, and tracks will stay in time - but the BPM readout for the two well-synched tracks will be different by over 0.5 bpm! And of course you now lose the second most significant benefit of using software - the quick speed matching leaving you to fine tune the beats and with more time to focus on the overall mix.
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  • I’m frustrated, upset, disappointed & sad
    I have been trying to figure out a solution to this problem too but it clearly still hasn't been something that has been addressed. I have the same exact problem as Alex mentioned in his step by step.

    This is a problem that I've emailed about and they just said it would be sent to their tech team.

    I loved DJay and loved DJay 2 until I started experiencing this problem and it makes me want to (sadly) abandon the app altogether!

    Please find a solution, or at least reassure us with some indication that it is a problem that is being further investigated.

    Thank you!
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    DJAY 2, songs are falling out of sync but not with DJAY 1 !.


    Hello,

    I made a test with 10 songs on djay 1 and djay 2 with an IDJPRO.
    The result is the songs are falling out of sync with Djay 2.
    It works well with Djay 1 !!!

    So i return with using djay fucking 1....
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  • Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't done so already, please kindly send an email to support@algoriddim.com and provide information regarding the songs, with which this problem occurs.

    Thanks!
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    • All my files are AAC 256 mp4
    • Mine are as downloaded from the beatport links provided above
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  • I’m frustrated
    Hi Could you please an update on this topic. I'm still using DJAY 1 to avoid this problem.....
    Any answer would be appreciated.
    Thanks Warren.
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  • Warren,

    I will try once again with DJAY and activate the perfect Sync.

    David
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  • Warren,

    I'm currently trying for the last time with DJAY 2.
    To activate the PERFECT SYNC, i need to double click on SYNC Button, below the BPM. The SYNC button will then be in BLUE. Correct ?

    I'm then loading a play list with 20 Songs with AUTOMIX.
    All 20 songs will be played with the PERFECT MIX function or do i need to double click on SYNC Button for each song.

    is there a way in the setting to activate all time PERFECT SYNCH.

    Thanks for your answer.
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  • Hi - any update on this please. I went to Djay 2 - had exactly same issues as above just drifts out of sync. Back to Djay 2 same songs rock solid mix. Just had major embarrassment with this when playing out so really annoyed. Downloaded Djay 1 again while I was out and luckily carried on - having to flip back to manually beat matching with 25 seconds of track to go was a killer. Just make the Syncing the same as Djay 1 - the very least the app should do is be in sync when a button called sync lights up. Update required.
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  • Hello,

    somethin new on this topic? I have the same problem and with djay 1 everything is fine.

    Regards
    Patrick
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    Our developers are still looking into this. We're coming closer to the cause for this issue and we're positive that we can find a solution.
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  • please tell me how to use perfect sync.i can mix perfectly using the manual method but mix will slip if im not careful,on the fluke accasion i got the sync buttons to glow blue,both tracks were playing but in the wrong place,so the vocal was clashing with the vocal on the other deck,so when i manually mix i bring the track in the correct place.please help
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  • if i can use perfect sync and both tracks are playing on the correct bars as not to clash,ill be so happy,as i luv this app on my note4.i ussaually mix uk garage on my techniks 1200s
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  • there is no pen icon in android djay2,,and presseing sync twice does not scnc the tracks and make the buttons glow blue either like ios
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  • Still drifting on djay2, it's awful in 64 beat transitions , loses the match completely
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  • ok we paid for this app, its not like it is free, so PLEASE sort this problem out! its been more like a year, 2 years already? and problem still open?

    Why the heck are 2 tracks drifting apart if they have both set same BPM!! It should stay in sync, or maybe just a tiny minimal drift,...but this program will drift apart to half a beat in few seconds!!

    Please fix this problem or we want our money back!!!
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  • I just bought the new Windows version and I have this problem!
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  • The admin on this thread is trying to close the discussion down.

    However it is only an 'old topic' because we're still waiting for a satisfactory answer from Algoriddim on this!

    The last response was years ago:

    > Warren over 3 years ago
    > Our developers are still looking into this. We're coming closer to the cause for this > issue and we're positive that we can find a solution.

    Where is the solution please?
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  • This is a hot mess! I had to click the sync button over and over and over but nothing works. The songs just fly out of sync for no reason. Same songs in DJ Pro 1 work fine. If you have NOT upgraded DON'T!
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  • I haven't used djay 2 for a while and had a play around with it on my iPad Air 2 and WeGO4 at the weekend and the tracks do not stay in sync when the BPMs are matched. This is the latest iPad release. They keep going out of sync ever so slightly and enough that you have to keep jogging them back in time.

    I don't recall having this issue when I got all this kit last year and I used djay pro on an older iPad and WeGO3 as well at the weekend and I didn't experience this issue.

    As much I enjoy a good mix and blend, this issue kind of defeats the point of digital kit.
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