Future of streaming in djay

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Hello djay Community,

We hope you’re all well and safe during these days. We want you to know that we’re here to support you as much as ever. And we realize that, maybe especially during the current global situation, DJing and music are more important than ever to escape the news for awhile.

As you know we’ve recently added new streaming services to djay with features that are first of their kind. Today, we’d like to share with you important information about the future of streaming in djay. We’ve received questions from the community recently about this topic, and now that we can officially share a clear picture, we wanted to thank you for your patience and update you on some important changes coming to 3rd party DJ apps, including djay.

As of July 1, 2020, Spotify will no longer be playable through 3rd party DJ apps.

You’ll still be able to use Spotify in djay until the end of June 2020. Going forward, we’ve prepared steps for you to easily transition to another supported streaming service. Most importantly, we understand building a music library takes time and effort, so we’ve set up an easy-to-use process for you to migrate all your songs and playlists to the new service.

We’ve also created a landing page with more detail about the changes, including a short guide to the new streaming services, and some FAQs you might have:

www.algoriddim.com/streaming-migration

Please know that we are here to help every step of the way. Despite the current situation around the world, our Support Team is here for you and remains as committed as ever to helping you in any way we can. If you have any additional questions, feel free to reach out to us at any time.

Your Algoriddim Team
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Emily, Employee

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Rob

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At least now there is clarity, thanks for that.
For me though, it is a killer blow. For those of us who only bought DJay for the Spotify integration, how do we apply for a refund?
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John DeLosa

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I also only purchased DJay for it's Spotify streaming.

Can you please forward the info for the other services and why they will be equal or better?
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Rob

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For me, it's not just the features but also the cost. I already have a subscription to spotify and use it extensively, but I only use Djay for occasional hobby use. There is no justification to pay for another subscription service just so i can use Djay.
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DJ Boum Boum

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The playlists which are now within Djay's own Music crate, how are they treated? Do they need to be transferred somehow also?
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Timothy Refile

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soundiiz.com
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Timothy Refile

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"this is Spotify’s decision to withdraw from all DJ streaming platforms. Some of you will knee-jerk blame Algoriddim for ruining their DJ existence, but believe me when I say that this is the last thing that they wanted to happen. It has been their USP in an increasingly crowded DJ streaming market. So be sure to direct your anger at the right people i.e. not Algoriddim".  from DJWORX
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Luca Camporese

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So sad...
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David, Official Rep

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Sorry to see you go Luca. But hopefully you can still give djay with the new services a try, we improved so many areas compared to the Spotify integration. I appreciate your loyalty and understand though that you may not want to keep two subscriptions. Note that we have no way to provide a streaming services for free as it's operated by individual companies. 
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Richard Pearce

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Hi David, you said "We are providing a free unlock of pro features specifically for existing djay 2 users so you can continue using SoundCloud and TIDAL. Hope this helps. " - how and when will this happen? Will all the features of my djay2 be still available on this special upgrade version or are you still gonna try and charge me a subscription for stuff I don't need sometime down the line. 

The djay 2 ipad app was perfect - I really don't understand how software companies can charge for something and then not support it, or why you constantly have to fiddle with stuff. Shameless up-selling is a real turn off to the vast majority of people. 
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Richard Pearce

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Hi David, you said "We are providing a free unlock of pro features specifically for existing djay 2 users so you can continue using SoundCloud and TIDAL. Hope this helps. " - how and when will this happen? Will all the features of my djay2 be still available on this special upgrade version or are you still gonna try and charge me a subscription for stuff I don't need sometime down the line. 

The djay 2 ipad app was perfect - I really don't understand how software companies can charge for something and then not support it, or why you constantly have to fiddle with stuff. Shameless up-selling is a real turn off to the vast majority of people. 
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Richard. The unlock is already in place for existing djay 2 users. Simply launch the new djay for iOS app on the device where you have djay 2 installed and it will automatically present you with a free in-app unlock directly on launch. There is still an optional subscription for looper packs, visuals, and modes, however with the free unlock the core features are fully functional for you without requiring a subscription. Give it a try and let us know how you get a long. Besides major new features available in the new djay, we have improved lots of things under the hood as well such as syncing, graphics quality, and more. 
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I get that, and I have no problem as I am not as invested as lot of other guys here.

My issue is as a casual user, which platform has the most to offer. If anyone has and suggestions or a list of positive and negative feedback it would be helpful to me.
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DJ Boum Boum

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The playlists which are now within Djay's own Music crate, how are they treated? Do they need to be transferred somehow also?

And is it possible to transfer the cue points on those tracks from the Djay crate?
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Mister Tuur

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Missed opportunity for Apple Music by the way. They could've picked up a bunch of influencers in Europe, where they have virtually no customers.
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I just cancelled the monthly subscription. Spotify integration was also my main reason for using Djay. I keep on using Djay on the Macbook. I have taken a look at Tidal. That wil do for people in the US UK, but if you are in a small country, like the Netherlands, you are missing so much of the local party music. Also, there is no bpm indication on tracks, you have not played before. Tidal for me is no replacement. My business is to smal, to invest too much in music. The Spotify integration suited my workflow perfectly. I'm sad this happens, but glad it's not my main income. 
Something in my head is thinking, Spotify got a better deal. Maybe Dennon of Pioneer... we will see.
It's strange that other platforms keep on working on streaming platforms. A hell of a loss for Djay.
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Hi, 

Please check out our website for a brief comparison of TIDAL and SoundCloud paired with djay along with links for more information. You can find it here: www.algoriddim.com/streaming-migration


In addition, TIDAL is offering a special 3-month free offer for new users with djay. You can find out more about this offer on the TIDAL migration page

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DJ THE RIDDLER

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It’s a good thing but this is not see attachments below
There no BPM on none of the playlists tidal seems like they don’t add BPM what is algoriddim going to do about this ? And it’s the same with SoundCloud
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We're looking into what can be done here on the streaming service side. Basically the streaming service needs to provide this info. Initially we did not have this in Spotify either and it's a feature that was introduced later on. As for SoundCloud, there is a new feature to analyze entire playlists in the background, something that so far hasn't been possible with any streaming service. Hope this helps and we'll be sure to forward this request. 
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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Hello David
No SoundCloud has no such thing ether Does tidal none of these have Bpm analyzing ability at all David nice try yes tell your new steaming services they have provide this for djay pro it’s a essential tool it is needed to work on the fly David I’m a working DJ I need this app to work so far it’s been great I see a lot of these other DJs canceling their subs why I don’t know but real DJs don’t do that so pay it no mind David straight talk djay pro is one of the best app out to be honest look into this matter David thank you for your reply
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What a bunch of crybabies! All I’ve heard is negativity with every change that algoriddim has made, and though you gripe about Spotify being illegal to use in public, you whine when it’s taken away.

Been a djay Pro user for a long time now, especially when they jumped "in bed" with Spotify. And while they have had their fair share of growing pains, it has gotten better with each incremental update.

I'm not exactly sure why the switch, but back in January, I could see the writing on the wall, for sure. As algoriddim has touted Tidal and Soundcloud, Spotify had become less prominent.

As for the future? My guess would be Apple Music will eventually have full integration with djay Pro. For those that have followed from the get-go, Apple has always had their hand in djay, in one form or another. At one time, the original Vestax djay controller was actually sold in Apple stores, and on their site.

Not too long ago, you guys even posted a news article about Apple CEO Tim Cook, taking a tour of algoriddim's offices in Germany. That alone speaks volumes.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least, if Apple bought outright (or at least part) of djay Pro, and offered it as an upgrade in Apple Music. It makes sense. To much chagrin of most users, algoriddim had been toying with the idea of already charging for a monthly subscription service for their iPad version. I guess most people don't know how R&D works.

To be able to sustain a future, developing and implementing new upgrades and features costs money. And by sending out free updates, algoriddim isn't generating new revenue, aside from new sales of the software. And while DJing has definitely increased in popularity, it is still a relatively niche market they are targeting.

Like most things digital (Netflix, Spotify, HBO, Amazon, and even good ol' magazine subscriptions), the subscription business model has always been the template for growing your brand, retaining existing customers, and future growth.

I would suspect by the end of 2020, we will hear an announcement from Apple. Not unlike the Beats by Dre buyout. Apple didn't want the stupid headphones, or speakers from Beats. They wanted the existing streaming service that Beats had already built, so they wouldn't have to waste R&D revenue to build their own.

Either way, I'll roll with whatever service works with djay Pro. As long as they can offer a streaming service. Spotify and djay Pro? You had a good run. Sadly though, algoriddim... Spotify, well? They're just not that into you.
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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I agree with you 100% DJs have to have music that’s why I collect music at all cost I read that article about apple
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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Hello algoriddim
Now for theses streamers tidal & SoundCloud will they be fix for the auto analyzing track feature or will it be Manuel in other words a drop box to select analyze playlists ??
Please reply this matter is important for us real working DJs
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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I’m sorry to say David on my Mac there is no such thing I’m very djay pro savy and if there was I worked it without a cause please look again mr David
Thank you for your reply
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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Ps: SoundCloud does not have music I don’t trust SoundCloud for my gigs plus
I use MacBook Pro not windows tidal in another hand might be abit ok but the music transfer thing only transfers not even half of my playlist from my years with Spotify look into this and see for yourself
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I attached a screenshot of the function. We just added this in a recent update, so you may not be on the latest version if you're not seeing it in the app. Hope this helps
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Note that the SoundCloud Go+ subscription contains the premium content from major labels (in addition to the underground tracks typically found in the free version). It would be interesting to know what genres you have in your library that weren't transferred.
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DJ THE RIDDLER

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Help David thank you for your reply
On my Mac book pro I don’t have the new update because it crashes my controller in other words some functions don’t operate properly like my led lights for sampler and fix leds etc .., now as for your. Screen shot is only for your iTunes play list XML witch is your own library of music
Now for as I was saying for tidal & SoundCloud it has no analyzing function or drop box at all
No I have the old version djay pro 2.1.1 which I always had I never update on my MacBook that iuse to play with I test run it on my other Mac book and on my iPad thank you for your reply please let’s work together to make djay pro great again
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im going to give some very wrong but very helpful advice here, find a spotify downloader! lol
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Luca Camporese

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So sad...
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a large population of Spotify Premium users that have Premium primarily for DJing, so I wonder how many will cancel their subs following this move by Spotify. In general, I also wonder how much impact this will have on Spotify's stream counts for the various tracks DJs like to play and probably play repeatedly.
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Digging a bit deeper I found that Spotify's licensing prohibits the streaming or caching of two tracks simultaneously and their ToS states "You may not, and you may not permit any device or system used in connection with the Spotify service to, segue, mix, re-mix, or overlap any Spotify Content with any other audio content (including other Spoftify Content)"

Despite this, they have had their relationship with Algoriddim for around six years, so I wonder what has changed their stance now. Commercial pressures I guess.

Perhaps they could get a new license to cover this scenario and add an extra tier of subscription for DJs to help cover the cost. I would happily pay a reasonable amount to continue with the convenience and library of Spotify.

Feel likes they're missing a commercial trick here and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose a load of Premium subs over this.