The “min” and “max” values you can set in the advanced control options are the MIDI values that are sent to the MIDI controller when the selected action turns “off” or “on” respectively. For example, if you map a button on your MIDI controller to the Deck → Play/Pause action, the “max” value will be sent when the deck starts playing, and the “min” value will be sent when it gets stopped.
For the looper actions, the “max” value is sent every time the sample starts playing, and the “min” value is sent every time playback stops. Setting values for min and max that correspond to different colors should allow you to have the sample’s playback state be reflected on the pad.
If that’s not the case for you, maybe you could send a quick video showing the behavior you are seeing?
@Anders, thanks so much for taking time with me on this!
Here’s a video showing djay MIDI mapping settings, the SmartPAD controller lighting up correctly, and the issue where all pads change color on the first press but then remain the same color regardless of subsequent presses and loops playing or not:
To be clear: I want the pads to load in the colored columns as shown, turn white to indicate a loop is playing, then return to original colors when loops are not playing. This way I have constant feedback on which loops in the columns are activated or not at all times.
I’d second this question. More midi development, including modifiers/shift buttons are needed. @CliffyPop have you been able to figure out how to make the shift button/modifier work?
Yes, @adrenal, I can create shift commands. Way it works with my setup is I hit a button and set it to General > Controller Shift Key (see row 1, Note B8 in attached screenshot).
Next, I created the button to apply a shift onto (row 2, Note F8). This could already exist if you had some key previously specified.
Finally, when I pressed both simultaneously, djay generated the 3rd option with “SHIFT” specified (row 3, note F8 (SHIFT)) which I could then apply any djay action to.
Epic, thank you for the info! Have you found a command to “open/expand” file folders in the playlist folders? I can’t locate anything that works. Desperately need that
Thanks for the video, very interesting. That’s not how it should be behaving.
Can you try one thing for me: after you play and stop a sample, and the button is still white, can you press the „Test“ button in the advanced MIDI settings in djay? This will send a sequence of max, min, and then the current value (i.e. min if the sample is stopped). Does that do anything with the button LEDs?
Btw. you can see what MIDI values djay sends the controller using this MIDI Monitor app, maybe that’s helpful: https://www.snoize.com/midimonitor/
Not sure if it gets you what you need and you prolly already found the one Music Library section.
Looks like you can toggle open the library in a few different configurations and focus on playlists and tracks. Then you could assign arrow buttons to navigating up and down with Select Next/Previous Track commands.
Tried everything I could. I can get it to focus on playlists and folders, so on the left, or tracks, on the right. Can’t get any selection to open or expand playlists though. Do you understand what I mean there? If not, Let me try to get a screenshot.
I see. I don’t think there’s a way to target a specific folder. You can open the library as an overview and then navigate to folders and tracks in it (but not target specific folders). At least I can’t find a way to do it.
I can actually move to the folders and scroll through them, but there is no click that opens the folder that I can find (meaning the little “symbol”. In Traktor, I can click on that with a button on the controller and that will open that folder so I can then scroll through the playlists contained.
If you need help i can show you the control I use to change the focus between the playlists and the “tracks”.
Thanks, I just realized that switching between capability was built into the default map with my DJ controller using a button/knob control with shift/button hit to go back. I’ll be using that a lot from now on!
I’d say both (at least on iOS, haven’t tried on MacOS). My deck has a typical knob / button combo dedicated to library nav.
For example, when viewing playlists, turning the knob scrolls through the lists available. Pushing it then goes into the selected list where turning scrolls through tracks. Shift-knob press returns up a level to the playlists again.
Shift-knob turning jumps between playlists, artists, albums, and genres.
When I start a loop then stop it with the button staying white, test doesn’t change the color. The button stays white.
I believe the test button is sending something but it’s not clear how or when the SmartPAD is accepting them. It seems like the SmartPAD accepts these MIDI out signals from djay at first but then maybe ignores them afterward. Not sure.
Test 1: All LEDs are on and hitting pads to start/stop loops (which causes pads to turn white). Nothing happens when hitting Test repeatedly on any white buttons. Hitting Test on any pads not triggered (those in the colors loaded with) turns them white and no change on repeated Test attempts.
Test 2: All LEDs are on and no pads triggered nor samples played. Test causes button to turn white. Nothing more happens when trying Test again. Hitting Test on any pads not triggered turns them white and no change on repeated Test attempts.
Test 3: All LEDs are off and no pads triggered nor samples played. Test causes any button to turn white. Nothing more when trying Test again.
NOTE: All pads unlit can be achieved by switching modes on the SmartPAD (it has 4 total) and then switching back to the original mode (which is attached to MIDI notes aligned with the djay MIDI map I’ve made). Afterward, all pads work and trigger loops and the white LEDs result even though all other LEDs are off. Switching MIDI maps in djay’s MIDI configuration window when SmartPAD is in correct mode will cause LEDs to illuminate like a refresh.
I can also make LEDs light up using Test in other colors by changing the Value min/max numbers, but, like above tests, once the color has been triggered, colors won’t change on subsequent Test MIDI out signals even if I change the values to other colors. I have to reset the SmartPAD by changing to a different mode then back again to be able to send Test events to change pad colors again.
So test in all situations Test seems to only work once and then SmartPAD ignores anymore.
MIDI MONITOR RESULTS
SmartPAD seems to be sending signals normally. When I press a pad, I get immediate on/off notes as expected. The following attachment shows triggering the first pad (and the first Kick loop in djay) and then hitting the pad again to stop the loop. 4 events are recorded:
Unfortunately, I can’t find a way to see MIDI events coming from djay despite selecting “Act as a destination for other programs” checkbox. So I have no idea what MIDI events djay is producing.
You should have an option “Spy on output to destinations” in MIDI monitor, which allows you to see what djay sends to the controller.
To me it sounds like the controller might have specific behavior in its firmware that disregards subsequent MIDI messages. Maybe you could check its documentation, or if spying with the MIDI monitor doesn’t work try to use a different app to send MIDI messages to the controller? If you don’t have one, MidiKeys is a simple way to send MIDI messages for testing.
Ok, I finally got MIDI Monitor to spy on djay. Thanks for your patience here, @Anders.
Below is a screenshot that clearly shows djay is sending the correct MIDI notes at what appears to be the right times, yet SmartPAD is ignoring the messages to return pads to initial LED color.
Seems like there’s an issue with SmartPAD because it looks like djay is behaving properly. Only thing that comes to mind is that maybe the time is a factor and the note on for an LED color change is fast enough that the SmartPAD can’t parse it in time or something. I don’t know enough about MIDI to know what the common problems are.
Any ideas are welcome.
To better show what’s happening to the SmartPAD developers, I made a new video that shows the SmartPAD LEDs, plus djay’s MIDI Mapping window, plus MIDI Monitor logging MIDI messages in real time:
Thanks for debugging this further with MIDI Monitor, I agree it looks like djay is doing the right thing here.
The next step would probably to contact SmartPAD support. Maybe there’s a mode switch or different MIDI messages you can send to get this working correctly. Definitely seems like strange behavior on their end, which I’ve never seen in a MIDI controller.
