I would love to see Neural Mix EQ work similar to how VirtualDJ handles Stem EQ. When you decrease the knob (counter-clockwise), that particular stem is removed, but when you increase it (clockwise), it is isolated. This is such an intuitive and quick way to mix using the EQs, and I think would be a great addition to Djay!
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Hi @CarneWest, thanks for the suggestion! Cool idea and does sound very intuitive. I have forwarded this to the dev team for consideration. Thanks!
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As an option, ok. But I think it is very counter intuitive if you MIX with stems. It would render neural mix useless.
Is it possible to down vote?
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Can I ask you how it would render neural mix useless?
Not sure how it would make neural mix useless? It’s how I mix and I do just fine.
There’s no downvoting here. Just moving on if you don’t agree.
The point is that I don’t need to loose existing functionality, sorry for my feedback, sir!
Maybe a bit of an understatement, yes. But the proposed change would not help my workflow at all.
But maybe my question should have been what “solo’d” means. I understand of your proposal is that if you increase a stem beyond neutral, i.e. clockwise, all others are decreased. When fully clockwise, the stem controlled by the knob is still 0 dB, all others off.
What I use and need from the current way of working is this:
- I need independent control of a stem, so if I turn voice I need only voice to be changed.
- I need the possibility to increase a stem beyond 0 dB.
What I see as benefit of the proposed working is that if you mix manual, you don’t have to be a magician to turn 3 or 4 knobs at the same time. But it is limiting otherwise. I learned to mix (with 3 stems, 4 would still be a challenge, but I haven’t seen any practical benefit of separating bass as a 4th stem yet) with stems the current way.
Cheers. 
I can see use cases for both the way it is implemented and what is suggested.
I’m wondering if we can have a middle ground by making it configurable in the settings?
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To my ears, Neural Mix EQ works the way you are describing here. When the pot is increased, or turned clockwise, it bumps the volume of the corresponding stem (High=vox, Mid=melodic instruments, Low=percussion).
Since it has functioned this way since its inception, I’m sure a toggle in functionality is probably the best way to implement the change I’m suggesting.
That being said, I’ve never had a use for its current function of increasing the volume of a stem while leaving the others as is, but that’s what makes us all unique DJs. We work the same knobs in different ways!
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I am glad to see a use case for the current implementation. I would like to see the proposed isolation work flow, but would support a toggle.
I like to increase the volume of the drums in older tracks when mixing to and from newer tracks to keep power the impact of the beat more consistent
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I have a Mixtour Pro controller and when I mix with Neural Mix I can turn the volume of the vocals (synths) clockwise.
Are you suggesting to remove the boost (volume increase)?
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I am! Being able to isolate the stem when turning clockwise is so intuitive for my style of mixing. I do like what someone else said about being able to turn up the drums for old tracks, but I use enough re-drums that that’s not much of a concern for me.
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With each release we have more and more ways to activate individual stems, but none offer the smoothness of the rotary EQ. Right now, using the EQs in stems mode, in order to isolate the vocals for an accapela, you must lower both the instrumentals and drums.
With the toggle we are recommending in the settings activated, we have to only turn one rotary fully to the right to isolate any of the three separated stems.
This is not just an idea in our heads. This is the standard way that stems are setup in Virtual DJ.
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Thanks for the additional info @BillStanley
Currently, when using the EQ knobs with neural mix, turning a knob to the left reduces the volume of that stem, while turning it to the right increases it. While there are specific scenarios where boosting a stem’s volume could be useful (like correcting a poorly mixed track), I propose a different functionality:
When the knob is turned to the right, it should reduce the volumes of all other stems, effectively acting as a “solo” button. This means that with the EQ knob fully turned to the right, the focus would be solely on that stem without excessively increasing its level.
This approach mirrors how it works in VirtualDJ, which I believe enhances usability for the neural EQ. For example, if you want to isolate an acapella track, you currently need to move two knobs to the left with the EQs to achieve that effect. My suggestion allows you to turn the high EQ fully to the right, making it easier to focus on the acapella without the stem’s volume rising unpredictably.
I believe this should be the default behavior. If there’s a specific reason for the current setup that I might be unaware of, I’d appreciate some clarification. Moreover, if one needs a specific stem to be louder, they could slightly increase that stem’s knob, making others quieter, and then use the trim/gain knob to adjust the overall mix as needed—maintaining the same functionality we have now.
Thanks for the suggestion @cokomairena. However, please use search before creating new topics. I have merged your new topic with this existing one. You can upvote this at the top left of this page. Thanks!
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Thanks, I used search, sadly didn’t find this one.
However it seems to be closed, but AFAIK this is not implemented yet.
Can I vote on closed suggestions?
Thanks!
edit: after I commented it let me vote, thanks
You’re welcome @cokomairena. This topic is still open and no, this has not been implemented in djay yet.
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Hi there,
There’s a kind-of workaround that already exists in Djay Pro, using the “2Ch Neural Mix Acapella/Instruments Filter”. I have it mapped on one of my X1s, one for each deck.
Turning to the right gradually removes instruments, leaving only the vocals, essentially isolating them.
Turning to the left gradually removes the vocals, leaving only the instruments, essentially isolating them.
Not an “EQ”, more volume control as you are not boosting either, just using the rotary to create a balanced sweep, based on the “Filter” control.
Instant acapella in under a single beat, and back again, great for pumping energy into the mix.
Cheers
James
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