Inaccurate Looping - Loop going longer or shorter than desired

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First off - I love Djay. It's a really great, intuitive program.

Although it has one weird looping quirk that is really throwing me off. I'll hit "loop in". Then (when I I want me loop to end), I'll hit "loop out." Instead of ending the loop when I tell it to, Djay will either end it a bit beforehand or a bit afterwards.

For example, say I want a loop lasting from :35 to :38. I'll hit "loop in" at :35. Then I'll hit "loop out" at :38. Instead of the loop ending at :38, it'll end at :40. Unfortunately ending the loop at :40 doesn't sound good. I'll try over and over, but the loop refuses to end when I tell it to.

Any thoughts? Is some weird setting turned on?

I'm using 4.2, fyi.
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Hi Matt,

Thanks for your feedback.

The loop start/end points always snap to the nearest beat. There shouldn't be a 2 sec difference though.
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This is still a problem with creating samples please advise.
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Jan Hein Gooszen

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This is still not fixed more than a year later, manual looping is the absolute basic prerequisite functionality for any DJ.
Will you guys update this?

Looping that always follows a Beat-Grids is ridiculous, is not the standard for any other DJ software (e.g. Traktor) and inhibits your creativity a lot

Please fix
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Thanks for the reply Warren!

It must be an issue with the beat matching then. The case I've tried over and over is with Black Sabbath's "Hand of Doom." I'd like a loop that takes me from :12 to :17 (the very end of beat 4 of that measure). Instead of letting me end the loop at the end of beat 4, it forces me to end the loop at :18, which falls in between beats 2 and 3 of the next measure.

Any advice?
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i have this same problem - but only on certain tracks. it is very annoying, and needless to say ruins a smooth transition or danceable extension of the groove...

and yea i count out the beats and always loop on a downbeat, so it really does seem like a bug - maybe a problem with reading certain types of rhythms.
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light over shadow by mickey hart is a classic example of a track i can never get to loop correctly - part of the 5 percent, as all the other loops i attempt work perfectly.
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YES. The inability to truly select a manual loop is super frustrating and prevents me from using DJAY for creative sampling.

Loops that snap to the nearest beat don't always sound the way I need them to. Especially for music not made on a computerized grid.

Please add an option for manual looping in an update. This alone would made djay 10x better IMO.

I was hoping this would be fixed in DJAY 2.0 but I'm having the same issue.
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Yep. I guess it is only with certain songs...still, very frustrating.
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Felix Teitelbaum

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An option to turn on and off snapping would be great. Otherwise LOVE the program :)
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Lorenzo S.

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Yes I am agree....DO you work on a solution?There any update shortly?VJAY
Regards
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Rio HUNUKI - HEMOPO

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Hey Warren, has there been any further developments with this aspect of DJay Pro? I don't have this issue with my app version (Djay 2) but always on the desktop or laptop versions. Is there any way to bring the app functionality of the looping to DJay Pro? Like some of the others here, the majority of the music I play is not quantised or on a grid. As mentioned, the ability to disable the snapping function would be much appreciated. Cheers.
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Rio HUNUKI - HEMOPO

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Any updates to this? Pro still snaps to grid rather than transient.
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Rio HUNUKI - HEMOPO

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Thank you for the response and I look forward to the solution. Btw, I think the product is great and with a few more tweaks would be amazing. Good to see the support side has been stepped up. Thanks again.
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Hi Rio,

thank you for the nice feedback, we will let you know if there are updates regarding the looping issue. 

Cheers,

Lukas E.
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Hopefully be a bit sooner than 7 months though hey
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Jamé Forbes

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Is there a fix for this issue?
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Dysfunk DJ

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This was highlighted months ago with no sign of being addressed. Disappointing reallly as like it's being said the system algoriddam analyses music so well.
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I LOVE Djay Pro and use it all the time, but I have the same trouble on seemingly random songs.

What I don't understand is why the GRID works at matching up the beats perfectly, but the LOOP doesn't work? Why aren't the GRIDs and the LOOPS calculated with the same function? Shouldn't they both work the same?
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Hey guys,

thank you for your feedback, we are working at improving the algorithm and will provide a workaround soon, too.

Stay tuned and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,
Lukas E.
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@lukas E

This bug is still not fixed . 2 years later, manual looping is the absolute basic prerequisite functionality for any DJ.
Will you guys update this?

Looping that always follows a Beat-Grids is ridiculous, is not the standard for any other DJ software (e.g. Traktor) and inhibits your creativity a lot

Please fix
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Jamé Forbes

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Just been trying to find out why it's not working like it should
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Mix Master G

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you can use our utility to set your loops and cues in another program and then convert them to djay

see the demo at
https://youtu.be/_dJkG2u5yww
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Bump this thread, trying to loop the opening piano solo of My Immoral by Evanescence, it appears to be impossible with the looping functions, even manual in/out looping. Love this software but this functionality is a big deal :(
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Hi Lukas.

Snapping grids becomes annoying sometimes.
I'm playing funk&soul so the songs has various tempo changes.

It would be great if snapping to grid function would be disabled.
It also needs when you loop mix different bpm songs.
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Mr. Akman is making a good point, but for clarity there are two different issues here.

The AutoLoop feature does snap to the beat, and while this is normally very useful, there may be situations where you would want this loop to be offset .... so that it starts just before the beat (at the instant I pressed AutoLoop) then lasts the preset length (with the same offset on the end). This as an option would be useful. It would create a loop that is uniform in length, just "slipped" slightly off of the beat grid.

However.... the issue that I and many others are raising here is actually a software bug. (speaking as a software engineer I'm pretty sure of that). The bug is that the LoopIn/LoopOut feature, which works perfectly on songs with a predictable beat grid analysis... is totally erratic on live recorded songs. Instead of ending the loop when I press Loop Out, it will end the loop at a seemingly random point within a beat or two of where I wanted it. It does not even snap to the nearest beat, it just jumps somewhere that you did not intend. This tells me that something about the loop in/out relies on the beat grid and perhaps some form of calculation... when it could have just noted the timecode at the moment I push the button. This bug is in the Mac OS X app. The iOS app behaves differently, where the Loop In/Out does seem to snap to the beat... but still snaps to the wrong beat on the Out.

A common symptom in both of these apps is that the moment you press Loop Out, it will NOT start precisely where the loop began but some time after... once the loop has completed once on its own it will start at the correct Loop In point, but the Loop Out continues to be off its target.

Again, I am using the 14 second piano intro of My Immortal by Evanescence for my test loops to illustrate the bug.
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I also LOVE Djay Pro (Mac OS X version). But...

Am I to understand that this looping problem has been an issue for 4 YEARS and hasn't been fixed yet?

4 YEARS?

Come ON!

Mr. Hansen is describing the same situation I regularly have.

PLEASE fix this
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I agree with all the comments as shorten loops also occurs on djay pro for iPad. It doesn't happen often but is annoying as it knocks sync off too.
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In summary, we need a manual loop function. The loop snap function is great for electronic music that doesn't change tempo on you, but for music played by real people with real instruments, it doesn't work too well. Need the ability to create loops independent of the snap to he next beat function. Please provide an update. This is a very basic function. Should not take 4 years to implement a fix z
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Victor Damian

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Still no word on an update? May have to start using Serato. Damn, can't believe I said that
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Yea. Love being able to use Spotify but if I have to pay for pulse locker now and go to Serato, I'm gonna have to. I use the Denon MC4000
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Unfortunately manual loop is still the same :(
I think they should add a "snap to grid" function for manual looping.
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I just don't get how something as basic as manual looping has yet to be implemented into Djay Pro. This should arguably be easier to implement than the quantized looping function. My Denon CD player for ok the 90's had a manual loop function. Come on guys. I know you have a lot of requests for updates and what not, but this is a very basic and in my opinion, VITAL, function on any Djay/midi software.
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Forwarded this internally again. Keep on pushing.

Cheers,
Lukas E.
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Dysfunk DJ

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Lukas do you think that 4 years of pushing is enough?
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Victor Damian

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My main gripe is the lack of a manual loop function for non electronic music. Music that is not quantized. When I play 70's dance classics, a lot of times the break is the best part of he song and you want to extend it by looping it, but without the manual loop feature, you'll never get a good loop. This is a pretty basic function. Don't know why Algoroddim has neglected to do anything about his. Maybe they think people will only play electronic/dance music with their software. Not too sure, but over 4 years I would assume they don't really care to implement this feature otherwise hey would have 3 years ago. Looks like I'll be getting to know Serato a little better in he next few weeks
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Exactly the same as me, it ruins any 80's mixes I want to do as it is impossible to make any transitions smooth, once again an ability to turn 'loop snapping' off is a brilliant idea!!!
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Ditto on this feature request. Many excellent tracks are recorded in various meters by real musicians, and Djay won't allow me to properly loop such segments. It obviously takes a lot of work to write the code to make changes to the app, but looping is a core function, and it would be great if it wasn't so constrained.

A temporary fix could be to allow loops that are not in increments of 4. Is the program really assuming all music to be in ~4/4?