Vdj is not as expensive relatively speaking as you are not required to have hardware at all while it is required to use serato with the absolute cheapest hardware being no less than $200.
Exactly. This is all relative as let’s be honest $300 (VDJ) is peanuts compared to what a working DJ spends on music annually let alone the hardware/software end.
And offers Deezer anyways if you need a Spotify type service.
It is usable for sure. I just don’t like VDJ’s politics and code of ethics TBH. As a DJ software it is great but how they get/got there is not for me.
Not sure you guys are understanding the concept here. It replaces timecode vinyl and cartridges YES but it most certainly does NOT replace timecode. It literally IS timecode. You know that “signal” word they keep using? Take a guess what that signal is… timecode. Thus this works with DVS systems thus full DVS implementation would still be necessary. All this is is a new input device. AMAZING yes but as far as SW goes (aka Serato, Djay Pro etc.) absolutely nothing changes here. If you are simply looking for this technology to be added to some similar device yet not an actual turntable you are quite literally right back to a basic midi controller.
Moral of the story here though is there is no such thing as DVS without timecode. Whether said timecode is stamped on a control vinyl, burned to a CD, copied to a USB flash drive or via Phase it is still just timecode.
@ Jan simply put yes you are wrong. You are speaking of the signal within the Phase ecosystem alone. What happens after that? The signal sent to the Phase receiver unit is its own proprietary data YES but the “signal” sent to the DVS device (SL box, mixer or controller) from the Phase receiver is most certainly time code… it has to be. There would be no way to decipher if it wasn’t. Interfaces then translate said timecode signals into audio.
Again you are mistaking time code for something only found on vinyl. Timecode is used within DVS systems via CD, USB device and even apps http://www.inklen.com/tonetable if this still does not make sense to you simply ask away.
Also keep in mind if it wasn’t timecode there would be no need for the DVS interfaces…
It’s all good.
So let’s explain a basic DVS setup first (using timecode vinyl, turntables, an interface and a mixer)
Things will happen in this order. A signal is embedded onto vinyl (audibly heard as a constant ringing) which is sent via RCA phono cables to interface. It is here where the interface (when combined with a computer via USB) will translate the timecode into usable audio content which will then be sent to the mixer (via RCA phono cables) and from the mixer to your speakers.
Phase utilizes timecode thus needs a DVS system to work. What would actually be wanted here (Djay Pro) would be a TT/vinyl solution that communicates via MIDI or HID. MIDI is the data protocol used by basic and advanced controllers (DDJ-SX, NS7III etc.) while HID is used by more advanced media players (CDJ-2000NXS2 etc.) but both are usable by Djay Pro as is with NO need to introduce DVS capabilities. Now if you can read between the lines here Rane is releasing a product this year that precisely fits the bill a la the Rane twelve. While not actually vinyl itself neither is Phase.
Anyways to sum this up I am not saying Algoriddim could not implement DVS what I am saying is this new product (Phase) does not change anything here as is unless DVS is added to Djay Pro or MIDI/HID is added to Phase.
“One step at a time” comes to mind…
I am not sure if the big picture is being seen here. The word “Pro” is used as a marketing tactic and some are taking it as status. Numark has released controllers with the word Pro in it and they have not released Pro equipment in years.
Spotify is not licensed for pro (commercial use) and Djay Pro NOT being a professional solution is what allows this exclusive partnership. Other apps being mentioned (Serato, Traktor, Rekordbox) ARE professional applications hence they offer professional tools hence they can not offer Spotify. VDJ tried and look what happened. The external routing for iOS, DVS, etc. sure would be great but did you consider losing Spotify? Are you willing to lose it for DVS? Probably not. External routing for iOS DEFINITELY not. If you are willing to trade these for Spotify I have bad news. The vast majority of the people here are not as the VAST majority are using Djay because of Spotify. Algoriddim knows this and they also know what i at stake to lose Spotify’s good graces.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this one really should have been obvious… At this point I feel best bet is getting Phase to offer MIDI or HID language.
Keep in mind. Deezer is not Spotify. They are in different countries. They have different labels. They are restricted by different copyright laws. Deezer has a MUCH smaller userbase. Spotify is dominant in the US… need I say more. Hence the reason DJ Player Pro, VDJ, etc can offer integration (with clauses stating end users will not be using commercially… LOL right?)
Djay is not DJ Player Pro. Algoriddim has multiple flagship apps with a huge user base to worry about Gabor Szanto does not. FWIW He did look into Spotify integration for DJ Player Pro and they turned him down if I am not mistaken.
Anyways this is just a way of looking at things and not actual policy as of now. Not trying to derail this topic any further anyways. Out of curiosity would this new Phase product suffice most DVS users needs here?
It does but again in hopes of seeing the bigger picture it would be MUCH easier convincing a relatively new developer looking to gain a strong user base in an already saturated industry to add MIdI/HID language to phase than trying to convince an already existing product with an already strong user base to add something that could potentially cause major issues/hurdles for their licensing structure. I was the one who was pointing out phase was strictly DVS so I was under the impression this would have been implied.
Algoriddim or its representatives are in no way obligated to make comments of any kind on this forum. It is this philosophy of demanding that probably deters them from engaging any further into this topic. There is nothing wrong with hoping or even asking but expecting / demanding DVS and/or requiring answers regarding it is not very reasonable. Every customer here purchased Djay Pro (or its derivatives) full knowing this app did not offer DVS and there have been no indications of any progress that I know. Out of curiosity where did you see anyone say “we are working on it”?
Regardless of previous erroneous claims that it is the norm for DJ software developers to disclose future decisions/projects I’d like to remind this is not actually the case. Native Instruments, Pioneer DJ, Serato, etc. all operate the same in that they progress forward keeping decisions internal then push to a smaller base of trusted users (professionals in the industries usually) who further test and provide feedback and lastly going to a public beta where things usually get leaked as these users will not understand or care about NDA’s and this is where the developers are reminded that keeping things internal is the best way to go.
Anyways the hole point here is ask away and hopefully you will get some feedback/answers but trust that nobody here (employee or not) owes you a single tidbit of information on future decisions. To think they do is … well you get the point.
You can not map via Djay Pro? It offers MIDI support and the 3900’s are MIDI compatible.
According to manual the platter is fully MIDI mappable (note 54). The player offers hybrid mode due to the fact they did not have licensing to offer Serato HID as pioneer did so they worked around via hybrid MIDI mode but as far a I know the players are also fully usable as standard MIDI controllers. Pg 32 explains how to connect to normal or hybrid MIDI mode. Normal for Djay Pro obviously…
Can’t see that being how it is. Just because it has a spinning platter does not really mean anything. The NS7, NS7II, NS7III, V7 all have spinning platters and none offer DVS. It is simply an input device. While spinning it reads at zero. While slowed down it is pitch down while sped up it is pitch up etc. This can be delivered as code (aka data) or actual time code (aka DVS) in the case of this hybrid player. One thing is seemingly clear though that you have not yet tried this. I would suggest doing so and see how you make out. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Can map both as seemingly the Stanton is MIDI as well. WOW this one had previously passed me but this thing is a beast even by today’s standards. Motorized Pitch Faders even?!?!?
Now that you mention the FW I actually do remember hearing of these as well as speaking of almost the same content as we are speaking now. If I am being honest I am not sure this could be mapped due to the lack of USB but I don’t see why not. I mean the SW (djay) will still see MIDI notes regardless right?
@ Sven that is unfortunate. I noticed alternate MIDI notes regarding the platter did you happen to look into any of these to see if they p[pertained to the platter movement.
@ Daniel unfortunately I do not have ANY firewire hardware to test on my end but my best advice would be to see if Djay is able to recognize FW hardware whether it be by personally testing, asking an official support representative or perhaps someone else can help. Again I do not see why not as MIDI is MIDI regardless on input method but this is again a best guess.
