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Device model (e.g. 2020 iPad Air 4th Gen):
Version of operating system IOS 18.3:
Version of djay (e.g. 5.3):
Hardware/controllers used (Denon Prime Go):
Summary of the issue:
Since updating to 5.3, whenever I move the Gain dial on my controller although the Gain does change, the small dial on screen don’t move and stays still.
If I move them with my finger on the screen they move and increase/decrease the gain.
This wasn’t the case prior to updating to 5.3
How to reproduce the issue:
Move the Gain dial on the controller and the Gain dial on the iPad doesn’t react/move.
Hi @maurizio_T, this is expected behavior when using Auto-gain. We have decoupled the hardware gains from the onscreen gains when using Auto-gain to prevent sudden jumps in gain value when you want to make a minor adjustment via hardware. I hope that helps!
Auto gain: decoupled manual gain on hardware controllers from auto gain in software to allow for independent adjustments
Auto gain reset: double taping the gain knob first resets to auto gain level when auto gain is active, double tapping again resets to zero
Good catch @maurizio_T, I was able to replicate this on my hardware as well. I double checked with the dev team and this is also intentional.
The idea is that hardware gain is totally separate, so you can never run into a situation where the gain is adjusted on screen and goes out of sync with the hardware knob. The onscreen gains and hardware gains are permanently decoupled regardless of the Auto-gain settings. Sorry for the incorrect description earlier.
Thanks for the clarification..
Unfortunately this is something that annoys me about whenever they release an update,
I don’t know why they thought this was something that they thought annoyed the user I mean there should be a way of enabling it in the settings if you want to see the change on screen like you suggested via enabling Auto Gain
Thanks for the feedback @maurizio_T. I will pass this onto the devs.
Perhaps you can provide more feedback to why you want onscreen display of the gain knob position in addition to the hardware indication? It would be helpful to make a case for why this should be an optional setting. Thanks!
The reason it was changed is because many users had issues when using Autogain where they still wanted to make a small manual adjustment via the hardware. This usually resulted in a big jump in gain value as the onscreen gain was in a different position than the hardware gain. This decoupling solves that issue.
Thanks Slak,
The reasons I would want to have the on screen icon move is to see where the Gain is,
I guess you could say that I could just look at the dial on my controller but seeing that everything else moves when the controller gives it a command, it wouldn’t make sense for this not to.
The Auto Gain issue that many users experienced wouldn’t make a difference if the on screen gain icon moved or not.
Not a game changer but it would be nice if they could at least make it an option for future updates
Thanks for the additional feedback @maurizio_T. I have shared this with the team.
In general, we want to improve the software over time and constantly adding settings to enable legacy behavior has the adverse effect of bloating the software. So there needs to be good arguments to justify this. I’m curious to hear feedback from other users in the Community on this topic and will share all feedback with the devs for consideration. As such, I have changed this topic from a Question to a Suggestion so everyone can chime in. I hope that helps!
I just experienced this as well. I liked it better when the gain knob on the hardware aligned with what was onscreen. Like you said, it only makes sense because everything else moves in sequence with the hardware.
No problem Slak. It was a rather confusing experience. I thought something was possibly wrong with my hardware, the software and or iPad. Hopefully the development team considers switching it back and figuring another way to address the auto gain issue discussed.
Hi again @NoDJ, if you could please provide a strong detailed argument for changing this back that would be helpful.
Many users made a very compelling case for changing it to the way it is. If you are not using Autogain, can you not simply look at the physical gain position on your hardware to determine the gain level? Thanks!
Summary of the issue:
When twisting the gain knob on the FLX4, the changes aren’t shown on-screen. The on-screen gain knob doesn’t move, but the track does get louder. If you turn the knob on the deck and the one on-screen all the way up, the track will get twice as loud. It’s like there’s 2 different gain knobs working together on the same track. I only noticed this after this most recent djay 5.3 update.
How to reproduce the issue:
Connect an FLX4 to your computer. Load a track. When you move the gain knob, nothing will move on screen but you will hear the track get louder.
Hi @michaelona, welcome to the Community! Please use search before creating new topics. I have merged your new topic with this existing one. This is expected behaviour with the new release. Please see above.
If you would like to make a strong and detailed argument for changing this, please do and I will pass it onto the dev team. Thanks!
I totally concur with you.
The 5.3 update sorted my autogain “volume blast” issue. In the past I dreaded touching the gain knob on any of my controllers because, either the volume would suddenly fall off or go blasting loud.
Glad you referenced serato - the gain indicator is completely independent of hardware gain - whihc is a good thing because then the gain indicator only meant for showing the dj what the autogain level for the track is at.
I have no issues with the Auto Gain being improved, it’s just that it should be able to be improved with the ability to see the gain position on screen just like every other icon moves on screen.
I mean I didn’t think that was something that was broken (The ability to see the gain movement on screen) so I can’t understand why it had to be “fixed”.
I guess it’s just a bit like muscle memory as when I see the pitch slider move, my mind tells me I have mad e the adjustment, now when I move the Gain dial on my controller, I have to second guess to see if the adjustment has been made.
Like I said earlier, not a deal breaker but there are other issues that I wish that the Dev team would have fixed that we have been asking for such as changing the pitch band value down to 2%, But that should be in a different topic
I like that hardware gain is separated .. i like to know that my “auto gained” song’s are all one level in the playlist, but what ever gains i do on my controller when i play live doesn’t affect the real “gain”… if that makes sense to you lol
