Been waiting too long for this to be resolved and now Traktor DJ has just made DJay irrellevant (hence the massive discounting of DJay recently no doubt). DJay is now the best ‘toy dj app’ but the forbidden fruit has been tasted.
What a pointless statement !
I’ve DJ’ed for over 20 years using everything from cassette tape, through vinyl, samplers and embracing what new technology has to offer. If this means to be a DJ is to live in the past then enjoy the memories. I find it fraustrating when technology/software promises something it sometimes doesn’t deliver on and this thread is intended to give the software authors an opportunity to judge whether it’s something worth working on. In my case I’ve found an alternative which for the moment does deliver and I can concentrate on re-arranging tracks on the fly rather than wasting half the tune getting beats matched. Great fun nudging and dragging a track around to keep it in sync sitting at home … and by the way, pitch riding is a doddle on vinyl, not so much fun stabbing at a micro button on an ipad with a virtual pitch control though ! I just feel sorry for those that have invested heavily in hardware to go with this app. Apart from my rant, DJay is still fun but not a serious contender based on the non-response from developers
I’ve now given up on this software as may requirements are a bit more ‘Pro’ and require better support than is provided by Djay. I now use Traktor DJ with a Z1 controller. If tracks are proving difficult to get a proper beat sync with, I take them into Ableton and tidy up the timing there.
Forget about Djay, it’s a toy (good fun) but with very poor support.
Yup this is basically my problem… Ill be trying to sync a few songs, and the BPM even with the auto-sync is STILL off… What gives?
It seems to me this problem would go away if there were just a manual entry field for the BPM. That’s the big feature I’m still waiting for them to implement for djay 2. That way if you KNOW a track is 180 bpm, but the analyzer puts it at 90, or 179.6, or 120, you can just override it and say “trust me, this song is 180 bpm.”
Who says manual BPM entry would have to be restricted to being an integer? There’s no reason someone couldn’t enter 127.11849248 in the BPM field. I’d wager you only really need two decimal places, personally, but who knows.
I don’t guess; I do the math myself. I go into an audio editor, find one beat toward the beginning, find one beat toward the end, count how many measures (and therefore how many beats) there are, and from this data calculate the BPM:
BPM = 60 * NumberOfBeats / (EndTime - BeginTime)
(I’m also a math teacher by the way. :P)
But since I know I can calculate the BPM to a high degree of accuracy, it’s frustrating that I can’t feed my calculation into djay2. A competing software, DJ Player, allows the user that input to two decimal places of accuracy (which is plenty), and I would have switched over to that by now if it didn’t have this skippy sound issue when I try to connect it to my Numark iDJ Pro.
Here’s one: Fighting for Freedom by StripE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v55rk…
It took me about 3 minutes in FL Studio to verify that this is 143 BPM, on the nose. djay 2 analyzed it as 145.4 BPM.
Manual BPM entry would let me fix this in a matter of seconds. 
Another one: Tears for the Time by kors k vs. L.E.D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MImwj… (Not the best quality, but I have a higher quality version if you’d like.)
The track is exactly 148 BPM. djay 2 analyzed it as 148.1 bpm. That extra .1 BPM makes a LOT of difference.
Another issue, by the way, is that the “set grid” resolution is way too small. If I set my cue point at a certain point and choose to set beat 1 of that grid to that particular time, it should be set TO that time - not slightly before or slightly after. That happens on this song:
That only restores to the BPM that djay first analyzed the song at. If that BPM was wrong in the first place, it’s not much help.
Just tried it for Fighting For Freedom by StripE (mentioned above), which was misanalyzed at 145.4 bpm. The beat grid already had the downbeat perfectly in the right place, so trying to Set Grid did absolutely nothing.
So I decided to Set Grid somewhere that obviously WASN’T the downbeat, and after a moment, it did start reanalyzing the bpm - and found it to be 143.1 bpm. Closer, but not correct. By the end of the track, the beat grid is an entire sixteenth note off.
I already know that this track should be exactly 143 bpm. If I could enter that number manually, I’d have this problem fixed in two seconds.
I have not. I’ll try it when I get home, but tapping the BPM is honestly annoying. If I know the BPM is 143, I’ll be tapping, and one second it’s 142.9, and the next it’s 143.2, and it takes a lot of patience and vigilence to get it to stop when it’s exactly 143.
Why all the workarounds and finagling instead of simply bringing up a text field to put a number in? DJ Player does it, and I would have switched to it by now if it worked with my Numark iDJ Pro.
If you want to do it by mixing by ear, then that’s fine, and nobody is stopping you. What that means is that you’re able to compensate for the inaccuracies of the program. But that doesn’t change the fact that the program is inaccurate. I’m a high school math teacher and I teach a programming class, so it makes no sense to me to not allow an exact value if one is known ahead of time.
Warren,
Update. Tried to tap the BPM at 143. It jumped around a bunch, but I couldn’t get it to end up at exactly 143 bpm - closest I could get was 143.2. Then tried to reanalyze; didn’t do anything at all.
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100% sure. I originally found the BPM by loading it into FL Studio, and I just now opened it in DJ Player (http://djplayerapp.com/) and set the BPM to exactly 143.0 - worked like a charm, flawless synchronization.
Any new updates?
I think it’s apparent that they have no intention of adding manual BPM entry. Every reply has been “oh, we’ll make our algorithm better rather than implement a much more simple solution.”
Guess it’s time to switch to DJ Player. They’ve had manual BPM entry for years now. You’d think that would be one of the first things they’d do.
No software BPM analysis is 100% correct, NONE. They all have their draw backs. I test them by inputting tracks I produce where I definitely know the BPM and sometimes its way off and other times it’s close. This is the same with Traktor, so don’t let someone tell you differently. I had a friend who was trying to auto sync a track with one of my tracks using traktor, he called me and thought I didn’t quantatize because he couldn’t auto sync my track with a 128 bpm track. I told him, that’s because my track is at 135 and not 128. I’m not going to get into the whole auto syncing debate but you have to be able to do somethings by ear even if you use auto sync. For example, you should’ve known that 127 for Brown Paper Back is WAY off and that you would have to re-load the track or something.
The same thing!!! Who we can change the BPM without using TAP key, please
Also having this problem - frustrating!
“Call me a Spaceman” by Hardwell shows up as 97 BPM (should be 128)
Center of the Universe" by Axwell also shows up as 97 BPM (should be 129)
Is there a way yo fix this? It makes the track mixing harder to do.
