Being that engineos only lets you use stems with your own files, unless there’s a way to obtain your own files directly through the rane controller, you still have to connect your usb/drive to a desktop/laptop to transfer your own files to your drive then re-attach that drive to your rane one.
Why wouldn’t someone just render stems for their files on their computer before transferring them to their drive/usb?
I appreciate the new functionality but it’s still very slow and very inefficient. It’s nothing to complain about but I much prefer djay pros version of near instantaneous stem availability.
As far as a standalone goes, mount an old iPhone max or iPad mini to any compatible controller and you basically have the most advanced standalone, minus spinning platters, there is.
Almost forgot about the Vestax Spin, and I had a pair of Vestax turntables and a Vestax mixer ( well 3 of them ) I do recall the Vestax Typhoon and did own the sexy and robust Vestax VCI 380. True if you can pair a solid controller with Algoriddim Djay Pro Ipad or Mac you are all set and true having a usb drive and a usb port to attach a drive of whatever gigabytes of music you have and the party is all set to go. Djay 6.0 dream features, let’s keep it going with more insights
The System One is a solid unit for so many reasons above the Stems thing. Saying that, I was hopeful for faster rendering time. Maybe this will be improved over time. Maybe even give people an option for a lower quality version that renders much quicker while the higher quality one churns away in the background? For people who like to DJ by the seat of their pants a bit more. Also,I’m currently more excited by when we’re getting Djay Pro 5.6.5
Agreed. I don’t have the RS1 but I do have the mixstream pro which integrates stems in a similar way with engineos. Due to still only being able to have stems on your own music files, which means you still have to connect your drive at least once to a laptop to transfer your files, I feel that’s its still a better option to just tie up your laptop and render all if not most of your music on your laptop before transferring since it takes a long time to render stems.
I don’t know what black magic djay pro(and maybe even vdj) is using to render stems so instantaneously, including streaming files(tidal), but based on engineos latest update it doesn’t seem like they’ll get anything close anytime soon.
Yes I see deals on the spin in the marketplace and sometimes get the urge to pick one up just to add to the collection. I really don’t think any other controller has been featured in the Apple Store but also it’s still 100% compatible with djay pro.
Whatever it is is likely patented somehow, and also making use of the hugely expensive chips that reside in modern phones, laptops and tablets. Unfortunately due to economies of scale, I doubt InMusic will ever be able to make it economically viable and have something like an M5 equivalent or A19 chip etc.
Economies of scale essentially make huge corporations able to buy expensive components at large discounted prices, I once read that the GPU in an Xbox series X would cost £1200 if a customer was trying to buy one off the shelf, and yet MS can sell the whole Xbox for £500 due to the volume they shift. That’s what you’re up against.
What’s kind of crazy is the old iPhone 11, from 2019, with the a13 chip can run djay pro with 100% quality stems. Also 80% quality stems, or whatever older iPhones can run, sound better than the rendered stems that engineos produces IMO.
It is, although that A13 chip is still probably a bit faster and more efficient than the one in the Rane, I think it’s an RK3588 they put in there. Apple also have a knack of making their OS perform a lot better on their hardware than comparable devices, I imagine given that the owner of Algoriddim used to work for Apple (I believe) he will be better placed for this app to make full use of that tech too.
The NPU is what affects the quality of djay Pro stems and djay Pro adjusts stem quality depending on the type of NPU available. All Apple Silicon CPUs are ARM based and have built-in NPUs, that’s why even older iPhones can process stems in real-time.
Traditional x86 Windows machines (without NPUs) can run around 80% quality, but add a GPU and djay Pro can easily hit 100% quality. Like Apple Silicon, ARM based Windows machines have built-in NPUs and can natively hit 100% stem quality.
The RK3588 ARM CPU in the Rane is an older ARM specification → designed for embedded systems. The onboard NPU is okay, but the CPU is inferior in almost every respect to Apple and Windows machines. It is pretty amazing, that they got stems working on the RK3588. Makes me wonder if djay Pro were running on the Rane what the real-time stem quality would be.
That’ll never happen on old InMusic hardware now (the computer mode boot up), it’ll always just be on the drop down menu once you turn on.
Screen support may come to older hardware who knows.
What is being developed as we speak is Djay being integrated into the ‘omni sourcing’ tech that is on offer on the System One, and likely future InMusic products.
Currently, on some traktor controllers, you can hold down some buttons, before you power on, to boot into MIDI mode. Currently, on the mixstream, before you power on, you can hold down some buttons to boot into debug mode.
I don’t see why they can’t integrate a similar approach to boot into computer mode / Midi mode
I would take just having 1:1 parity in library search options between iOs and MacOS. I want to be able to use the “search” function on my local library folder the same a I would in say, the Apple music app.
